Why white men love the black woman
Ever wondered why some white guys, love black women so much?
It seems that being a white male and proclaiming your attraction to black women (not only sexually, but also romantically) may lead to a lot of controversial and dangerous things. Let’s leave the debate of why more black women may be opening themselves up to white guys. The main focus of this debate is: why some white guys are opening themselves to black women. Let’s concentrate on that.
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Most white males don’t feel like they are running short of white women to marry. White males just marry at high rates. So question is: Why black women? The thing is it will not be fair to bundle up black women as one since everyone is their own person… be it in appearance or personality.
However, one thing that a white male friend of mine said… and I let him get away with bundling it all up is: “We love a black woman's confidence, her tenacity and her undeniable achievements in the face of great adversity...᾿ Since this info was coming from a man, there was definitely the mention of the lips, the curves, and that wonderful skin as well.
So what about stereotypes like “black women are either sexually conservative or total sluts?" Many people give so much lip service to interracial dating sites. You would think they have never done it. But those uptight individuals are the ones that spread these stereotypes. What happened to the highly educated black woman? How about the caring, decent and involved black woman?
Probably most white guys and others are confused with the stereotypical trash people spread around and if you are one that falls for such lame ol’ lines, then you sure as hell haven’t dated a black woman.
Bottom line, you don't have to sacrifice who you are for a white guy. They will love you anyway. Just be you and open yourself up… and if you like white guys, some white guy will find you too.
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Rayne says:Posted: 12 Jun 08Times are a changing, and the changes are long overdue concerning BW/WM relationships. I am proud to be part of that change. Although I may not meet the standards of others because of my relationship or because of their perception of beauty...does it really matter? I can honestly look at myself in the mirror and see who I truly am....an independent, strong, smart, beautiful representation of the human race, who happens to be black, a woman, and who made the decision to date a white man. I admire those who post about taking the first step and dating outside your race. It was not easy for me the first time, but I can say that I'm glad I did.
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UKblackchick says:Posted: 12 Jun 08
To the racist people who are saying black women are unattractive and all have 'big lips' and 'flat noses' are RACIST and mean spirited. Everyone knows that Black women are just as beautiful as another race and for people say racist stuff about black women , tells me that there is still a lot of opposition to BW/WM relationships. When you look at the spectrum of black beauty, there are so many beautiful skin tones that BW have and not to mention also our lovely full lips that White women pay thousands to obtain, plus our unique hair. So to say all BW are ugly is stupid, there is pretty and ugly in every race. Not everyone finds thin nose, blonde-hair and no curves attractive. These types of comments seem to be regular occurrence when anything positive is said about BW, it seems like other races of women can told there are beautiful over and over again but when it BW that shouldn’t happen, well times are changing!!! An important point to mention when talking about attraction and BW/WM relationships in particular is the beauty hierarchy that plays itself out the Western world and especially in the media. I think a lot of white men might be afraid to admit their attraction to BW in public because it been ingrained in Western society that white women are the ideal and everyone should desire them and black women are not openly admire for their beauty by non-black men and this might be delaying the development of BW/WM relationships.
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Member says:Posted: 12 Jun 08
Hey tatted2death, i didnt say only white women could have different hair colours at all! (However naturally black women just hqave black/brown hair, there are more colours in the white race BUT this is besides the point, that wasnt my point at all. Hair colour is irrelivant to what i was saying-i think youre getting me mixed up wit the guy who wrote after me. I was talking about a black womans confidence and how i thought that was a very attractive feature. On a slighty different subject I have met many white Italians who love black women - Why is this (black women are beautiful but I mean why the Italians in paricular??) But again you could say that was generalising again!
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tatted2death says:Posted: 11 Jun 08In response to an inquiry a few posts back.....attractive or unattractive?????.....I think this is another premise that will never be settled. As you have seen on this very site their are plenty of attractive women looking for love. If their "attractiveness" (which certainly is in the eye of the beholder.....one man's treasure is another's trash and vice versa and all those other cliches.....lol) really mattered why are they on here. If anything their looks might be a deterrent.....truly intimidated some. Oh well. I am on of those weird women anyway....that doesn't really care who actually finds me attractive. I know I am not everyman's cup of tea so it doesn't hurt my feelings if I am deemed unattractive by them. Because if all somebody wants is eye-candy there are plenty of movies and magazines that cater to them.
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Nicky says:Posted: 11 Jun 08The last couple of posts are incredibly racist and ignorant. All of you people need help, seriously.
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Mz_Monique says:Posted: 11 Jun 08I was brought with the understanding that Love, real Love has no color. You can't sterotype it one way or the other. You can't help who you fall in love with. So you shouldn't limit yourself to one specific shade. Someone once asked me what race did I prefer and me being me let them know the " Human race", okaaay. But seriously Love has no bounds, no strictures, and no limits. Race should never be a problem.
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Jenipher says:Posted: 11 Jun 08
my italian husband says being married to a black woman is fantasic and he wouldn't change it for the world. He says the sex is awesome. We are married 2 yrs in juylt 08. We have the cutest daughter. He is so kind and i am so lucky to be with him. He really puts alot into r relationship. I love him alot. We talk about everything. Tips on keeping the love alive 1.) Don't let him see you naked too often. You don't want him to get tired of your body. 2.) Get ready for sex. Make-up, perfume, jewlery, high heels and sexy cloths. Music, candles. 3.) Suck his dick (and do it often) he will lovve this. Make it feel tight and wet like pu$$y.
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Brentman says:Posted: 10 Jun 08
yeah some of the black women on here are not showing black women in a good light. jenipher and caribprincess sound real ignorant and small minded, really generlising and talking crap Caribprincess saying ''black women are better, more beautiful and intellient'' this is a ridicuous thing to say. I would say I see far more many attractive white women than black woman but there are planty of beautiful black women. I like all beautiful women - Im not attracted to unattractive women- ANY RACE!!! Black women have qualities that white ladies dont have and vice versa-Its is all about personal taste but what really counts is the personality, the mind and soul. Which has no colour!!
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bexeybee says:Posted: 10 Jun 08
I think tat who ever said white girls all look te same is bizarre though!!! I JUST HAD TO ADD THAT! That was shocking and absured. If anything black girls look the same, they all have big lips, wide flat noses and brown eyes and clack hair. White women have many many varied features, eye colours, hair textures, colours, lip shape, colors...breast size, bum shapes, hip size, they have lovely hips (where as black women have their hips on their back i think ou call this booty!!!) Really though the topic IS dated and ridiculous. Any intelligent person knows what the most important factor is in a realtioship. Everyone has their preferences. There is beauty in all races and men to love all of them!
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SugarRay says:Posted: 10 Jun 08Melody, I'm a white male that has dated quite a few black females. I can tell you from my own experiences that I personally dont have any reservations when asking out a black female. I usually dont ask out females in places likes stores though. Those men that you were talking about being polite might think the same way that I do. I met most of my black girlfriends at work,through friends or at school. If you wanna try dating a white male, then I highly recommend you trying an online dating site. Trust me when I say that there alot of white men that find black women attractive.
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tatted2death says:Posted: 10 Jun 08The past few posts have been quite interesting......but also quite expected. Now while I think this sort of forum is excellent for getting people to start talking (which is the first step), I think it can get to the point of being a bit childish. Their have been too many posts tinged with self-loathing and other forms of hatred. Bottomline, seeking validation online is a no-win situation. There will forever be those who are jaded or jealous. And on the flipside, it really makes you look petty to lash out at other women solely based on racial factors (and umm btw, a white girl....women of all shades have the ability to have whatever color hair they please....in fact women of ALL races seem to like to "enhance" themselves to some degree.....via tanning beds, lip plumpers, hair weaves, etc.....so that point is moot....I try and be as natural as I can but that is a personal choice....does NOT make me better than the next woman). People are individuals and that is all. There are some interesting reasons for attraction but let's not take this bs personal, please. Because we all know physical beauty fades to one degree or another so if we are out here seeking men to put us on pedestals based on those attributes we are only "building castles in sand".
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Danteone says:Posted: 09 Jun 08
I believe white men love black women becuse of the whole slavery thing. they feel powerful and superior with a balck woman on their arm!!! Most white men love long hair, silky long flowing hair..not ''greasy, itchy, stiff afro hair'' they like slim slender women and like 'white girl' said lovely soft skin (white women have such soft skin to touch-it drives me wild.) I really think that white men like black women as a pet, as a housewife. We all know they love white women sexually and asthetically. Most white men i know believe the big lips and hair on a black women to be unattractive. White women have beautiful skin tones, beautiful rosie cheecks after making love and blue eyes like the ocean, hair golden like the sun. I LOVE white women. I guess some white men see the other side of the spectrum.
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Member says:Posted: 09 Jun 08
I think some of the black women here are slightly souding racist (CaribPrinces) or insecure when talking about white women and themselves. CaribPrinces, some of your remarks were very small minded and quite frankly silly. Men love women. Thats it. People are individuals with preferences. Thats it. I am white, my boyfriend is white (italian) and has been out with many black women (as well as asian, european...) I dont have a big round arse, I have really soft skin, great hips and boobs (with pink nipples) and I have silky long blond hair which no black women has. He likes these things about me along with my personailty and other things. When he was with his black girlfrinds im sure he loved many things about them too that i dont have- If he wanted those things he'd be with a black girl now... Hes happy with me. I'm fun, interesting, intelligent, strong and sexually confident and make my man very happy-he tells me its the best sex he's had, the most excitment he's had and that he's never been in love like this- Now i dont believe that has ANYTHING to do with colour. If you fall in love with someone its not about colour is it!! I know that when you see a good looking black women they are VERY sexy, sometimes i catch him looking at an attractive black women but sometimes he catches me looking at a Latino men! (Most of my past boyfriends have been latin american) I love Latin american men as they have beautiful skin tone and great hair and NICE ROUND arses!! Its all just a matter of taste. Personally i think Brazilian women are far more attractive than white and black women. I believe they have perfect arse, hips, hair, boobs, lips. Thats me. I do admit that the confidence of a black women does show and i can see why men find this attractive. Lets face it you can get beautiful, strong, confident, wise, sensual, sexy or unattractive, weak, dumb in ANY race. Some men like really fat women, some like japanese, some blond...Just realise that people are individuals. Id say WOMEN, regardless of race...its good to be independant and confident and you are all unique. My best frind who is balck has no rythm and can dance that well, i have another white frind who cooks super spicy food and is a sensational hip hop dancer. Woman are amazing and unique.
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BlkAngelArica says:Posted: 08 Jun 08Melody, I have the same problem. I get alot of stares, conversation but not one white man has asked me for my number. I even get winks. With time, WMBW relationships will be more common and eventually more, more acceptable. Today, we have more avenues to date than 20 years ago. We have the Internet, speed dating, social gatherings. Let your friends, or neighbors know that you are interested in dating again. Continue going to social events and just enjoy yourself. You will be surprise what happens. Right now, I have a white guy who is a friend. I really enjoy his conversation. We havent been out on a date yet. I will keep you posted.
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conanld says:Posted: 08 Jun 08
Melody, Don’t lose hope. There could be any number of reasons why any given white man has not asked you out. Maybe there was insufficient time available to him right then to start up a conversation that would yield a date. Maybe they are already married, or if not married, maybe they are already in a relationship, and who knows, maybe that relationship is with another black woman! If they are single and available, then maybe they are just now trying to get their feet wet with interracial dating, so they start out with simple gestures and see how it goes, before moving on to the next step. Finally, you are correct that there are psychological barriers at play. It’s no secret that a BMWW relationship is more accepted today than is a WMBW relationship. Still, as an older gentleman I have seen a lot of change recently, and that is good news. The progress might seem slow as a slug to those caught up in the moment, but believe me, things are changing now, they are changing rapidly, and it will continue to get better as time goes by
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melody says:Posted: 08 Jun 08I moved into a predominately white community about 4 years ago. The majority of the black men in this area are married to or with white women and just in passing whether at gas stations, the market or on the street they will not speak. On the other hand the white men are polite and hold open doors, in the market the other day a white male seemed to go out of his way to offered me his place in line but I was not really to check out. A am a single black mother of one child that has recently entered this school system so I have become more involved in the community. While the gestures of the white men are very pleasant and for me usual they seem to stop at that while there gestures appear to show interest at times no one follows through. I have never dated a white man, but it is not because I will not it's because they stop short at asking for my number. If the man in the market has asked I would have talked to him, he was tall and handsome. As this is an affluent area, I can agree with the thought that white men seek to maintain their status in the overall community and within their families. I can't blame them for that, but it leaves a lot of white men and black women longing, lonely, and wondering. So are there any white men out there who are not afratid to actually do more than be polite to a Sister, or will interracial still mainly mean a black man and a white women?
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Renai says:Posted: 08 Jun 08People are always asking white men why they date or like black women. No one ever ask the question of why black women like white men. But I can answer why I like white men. I always thought white men were good looking. Then when I became of age and dated a few white men, I found that we click and they treated me so well. I was never disrespected,verbally or physically abused by a white man.
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Flirty1 says:Posted: 07 Jun 08I think taking a closer look at black and white relationships is good. I would also ask: What are white people (and other ethnicities really) beliefs about black women? What shapes their attitude about black people? Especially women? Here's a good book to look at: Two-Faced Racism by Joe R. Feagin. ISBN: 9780415954761. I think that everyone is aware of what the other person feels as far as romance goes. It's written all over their face and in their body language. If a guy doesn't have the guts to ask you out then he doesn't have the guts to do a lot of other things either. I guess I just don't want to give these guys an easy out. That's almost as ridiculous as black men who use a set of stereotypes about black women to rationalize their desire for white women. Instead of just saying they like white women.
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UKblackchick says:Posted: 07 Jun 08
The focus of this forum is to find out why White men love black women and hearing from people like Conanld on this attraction to black women is crucial in developing relationships between the two. If BW are unaware of this attraction from WM then it harder to purse these types of relationships. In the UK, WM have similar attitudes to American WM in that there is a ideal of beauty which is blonde hair, blue-eyed and that WM should marry this type of woman other to fit in and if they don't, they are seen as 'odd' or having a ‘fetish’. This type of reaction can be discouraging to a lot of white men and all the social pressures that come with it. Conanld is trying to warn other WM who are younger than him to follow their attractions/dreams instead of trying to please society like a lot of WM do. I think more detail research on WM/BW relationships would be a good thing and in particular from a white male view.
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BlkAngelArica says:Posted: 06 Jun 08I am a single, working mom of one. I havent dated in umm 6months or so. Recently, I get alot of white men opening doors, making conversations with me and just being friendly. I have dated a white guy before in college. He movd soon after his mom passed away. I never dated outside my race again. I do find some white men, black men and latino men attractive. I look at things differently as I did when I was 20 something. I look at how he treats me as a person. The time that I spend with him. I do enjoy the gestures or politeness of a white gentlemen.
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conanld says:Posted: 06 Jun 08
Many folks seem to want to excessively down play the role of physical attraction in finding mates. While there are certainly exceptions to any rule, this does not really marry up with reality (pun intended). If physical attraction plays no role in relationships, then in theory, when everything else is equal, a physically unattractive individual should have exactly the same odds as an attractive individual in attracting a physically attractive mate. Moreover, no one would care what his or her mate looked like, because it would be an irrelevant factor. Such a supposition does not carry the weight of logic. If given a choice at birth, would you prefer to be born physically attractive, or to be born physically unattractive? Why?
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dipperback says:Posted: 06 Jun 08
Ok...........lets cut to chase. Fact is, how do you know who you're attracted to until you meet that person? Who prepares you for the reaction you're going to have with that person? In this crazy world of politics and gangs and sickness and death, if you find yourself attracted to a beautiful(invisibly speaking)individual and there is physical attraction to fuel it, so be it. One final thought: the love between a man and woman is wordless! Enjoy::)
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conanld says:Posted: 06 Jun 08
UKblackchick - that is a very good question that you ask. It would be great if someone or some group could do some legitimate research on that. For my part, I really do not know how many white men who are married to white women who would prefer to be married to a black woman. It's not a topic that often comes up in conversation. That might make another good research topic. I do know however, that I have caught a number of white men noticing the same black woman or women as myself. This is not an uncommon thing for me to see whenever I am around both white men and black women, usually while in public places like airports, bookstores; that sort of thing. Also I appreciate your compliment. You are correct that it takes a bit of courage to wear one’s heart on their sleeve on a public forum.
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Flirty1 says:Posted: 06 Jun 08It is so upsetting to see women writing about white men who are "afraid" to approach black women or white men that harbor these super secret attractions but were unable to act on them. The fact is, these men aren't doing anything either because they can't or don't want to. And that's okay. Speculation makes for great conversation in the short run but can quickly become an albatross if it is done for too long. I'd love to hear more about the ways people met their girlfriends/boyfriends/ or husbands/wives.
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attrayant27 says:Posted: 06 Jun 08I am a white man and have always been attracted to black women, for all the same physical reasons that other white men have expressed on here. But I think there is an attraction on a deeper level--maybe even by all races to black people in general--which deserves being talked about. A black woman's voice is very attractive to me, almost musical. Black people shun being stereotyped in this way for the obvious racist "entertainer" pigeonhole, but to me, it's the most powerful part of the most powerful thing on the planet: language. To quote the Bible, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and was God." Music is the universal language, straight from God, and literally, uncorruptable. If you don't believe me, when's the last time you heard any music of a hateful nature become popular? Music of deep pain, maybe, but never of hatred. Science can also now prove that every human that walks this planet is related to one black woman--the "mitochondrial Eve"--who lived in Ethiopia around 140,000 years ago. This in no way implies that black people are inferior--as many an ignorant racist has tried to twist--because they were the first race. It doesn't take a DNA geneticist to tell you that the oldest and longest lived race would be, if anything (big shock...) would be superior, mentally and physcially. All this combines to a deep unspoken power possesed by black women. Not the kind of power that dominates and oppresses, but the kind that unites. Henry Kissinger said that "power is the ultimate aphrodesiac." (if you've ever seen a picture of Henry Kissinger, you know he needed every bit of "power" to get laid, to...hehe). Anyway, that's my overly intellectual reason why black women are sexy : )
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UKblackchick says:Posted: 05 Jun 08
I'd like to thank Conanld's for his honestly and braveness in talking about his attraction to black women. I think there many white men who feel the same way Conanld does but are unable to express it. I would like to ask Conanld this question: Do you think there is a large or small number of white men married to white women but would really love to be married to a black women instead? The reason I'm asking this is a lot of white men are vocal about their non-attraction to black women and this make black women feel that white men in general are not attracted to us.
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soothingsoul77 says:Posted: 04 Jun 08
i am cuban and black and i love white men too. the problem is, i always catch them looking and sometimes flirting but they act as though they are afraid to ask us out. what's wrong? one of my co-workers said that "we just don't know what to say." i told him, approach up appropriately and ask us out as you would a white woman. not all of us are like the "video hoes", ignorant, belligerent,materialistic and uneducated. as a matter of fact, the majority of us are the complete opposite.
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soothingsoul77 says:Posted: 04 Jun 08
i am cuban and black and i love white men too. the problem is, i always catch them looking and sometimes flirting but they act as though they are afraid to ask us out. what's wrong. one of my co-workers said that "we just don't know what to say." i told him, approach up appropriately and ask us out as you would a white woman. not all of us are like the "video hoes", ignorant, belligerent,materialistic and uneducated. as a matter of fact, the majority of us are the complete opposite.
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conanld says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
Because the crux of the matter is that it has a lot more to do with communicating than anything else. You have to look past what might deceptively appear to be the obvious, and recognize that the real goal here is to get people together who heretofore have not taken full advantage of their personal relations opportunities. On this latter point, there is no debate. The fact this is true indicates that there are uncertainties in people's minds about their desirability. It's all about encouragement. That is the real purpose, and anything that might aid that purpose that is also be true, should be communicated. <<>>.
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Jamaicandolly says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
I completely agree with Bill I don't put people into groups or races, i see everyone as equals. Asking white men why they love black women is like asking why they like women in general, i may be the only one who thinks like this but i believe a women is a women, you are attracted to who attracts you,The colour of your skin is just another feature of the body, such as hair colour or eye colour. Why in this day and age are we still questioning why someone with lighter skin would want someone with a darker skin tone. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but asking a question like this is as stupid as calling a person of a dark complexion African American. You are an American,you do not call people of light complexion Euro-Americans, which they are, what makes them more American than you. This is my belief.
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howdyhokyle says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
I LI DA BLA WOOMUN CU DEY PUWSSY IS BETTUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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conanld says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
I don't know if I can post links, but I have found some very good information on YouTube. I see some very positive developments in that regard. Do a YouTube search on topics such as: Black Women Dating Outside the Box Love Without Boundary - International Relationships You will be able to find good information on topics relevant to the cause. Avoid web sites that focus too much on black women resenting black men. That's not a good reason for dating outside your race anyway. White men like all people - men and women alike; want to be desired for who they are. They don't want to feel like they are a consolation prize.
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conanld says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
Actually, you should be able to answer your own questions, but in order to arrive at the proper truth, you must first ensure that you have suspended any prior conclusion that you have arrived at (if any), and secondly, you must very carefully read my very first post written on May 26th, 2008, especially the last 6 paragraphs. *** Comment by Lacy Stacy on 31 May 2008: *** Conanld What is your sex life with your wife? I’m not trying to be rude but you seem like such a deep and passionate man! Have you ever had an affair or come close to it??? Do you regret marrying your wife?
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conanld says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
Speaking of noticing - as a white male noticing all you black ladies that is, see my comments below. There are a number of pysical attributes that are appealing, but in descending order of importance, and addressing only the top few, here they are. Number 1 - Skin: All women of color, including mixed race women the world over, have the most beautiful skin. For me, beautiful skin is the most alluring physical asset a woman can have. Women of color have skin that has a special type of glow and shine to it. It is very difficult to describe in words, but this glow has a very smooth translucent and healthy appearance to it. Up close and personal, the impact upon a man can be devastating (in a good way of course!). If a woman has truly beautiful skin, then a deficiency in all other physical assets, including but certainly not limited to, being terribly thin or overly obese, can sometimes be overlooked and brushed aside. For this reason I have been extremely attracted to all sizes and shapes of women of color. Number 2 - Eyes: Women of color are more likely to have large eyes, and those eyes are dark, mysterious, penetrating, and most alluring. They are like a window into the soul. If you look at me with those big dark eyes and with more than just a passing glance, then you can be sure that I will be aroused. Number 3 – (OK - I know you were just waiting for this one so here we go) – Booty or rear end, call it what you will. Women of color are more likely to have a nice well-shaped and full one, if you know what I mean. We’ve all heard this before – “Watch her walk᾿. Indeed! Number 4 -Lips: I love full lips. I find them quite sexy and alluring. What could possibly be more fun than kissing beautifully shaped full lips? There you have it
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conanld says:Posted: 02 Jun 08
Being noticed by someone of the opposite sex, certainly is a big factor in the attraction on the receiving side, and it's the attraction on the sending side that drives the noticing!
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879Pineapple says:Posted: 01 Jun 08Truth, You're just up-set because you couldn't get an AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN if you life depends on it. the problem with you is, your attitude suck and no women white are black want that crap. I believe you want an AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN to married you and give you a Green Card, and none of the would, maybe because you're ugly as hell. and its clear you're not making good use of that education you'er getting because your spelling suck. And for the record, I am a Jamican woman and I have always like white men. I love the different colour eyes, the light skin and those pink lips. I find them to be a lot more fun to be with. And when I'm with a white man, he can't help himself but to look at me:)(I like that!!!)
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879Pineapple says:Posted: 01 Jun 08Truth, You're just up-set because you couldn't get an AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN if you life depends on it. the problem with you is, your attitude suck and no women white are black want that crap. I believe you want an AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN to married you and give you a Green Card, and none of the would, maybe because you're ugly as hell. and clear you're not making good use of the education you'er getting because your spelling suck. And for the record, I am a Jamican woman and I have alway like white men. I love the different colour eyes, the light skin and those pink lips. I find them to be a lot more fun to be with. And when I'm with a white man, he can't help himself but to look at me:)(I like that)
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Member says:Posted: 31 May 08
Conanld What is your sex life with your wife? I’m not trying to be rude but you seem like such a deep and passionate man! Have you ever had an affair or come close to it??? Do you regret marrying your wife?
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conanld says:Posted: 31 May 08
Traveling alone has its downside, especially when traveling on business. I am a large boned muscular man, so you can just imagine how much I just love those tiny airplane seats that provide no room whatsoever for my shoulders. On the aisle side of the seat I am constantly get bumped by passers by. On the window side of the seat I feel like I am intruding on the personal space of my fellow passenger. It is always worse when that passenger happens to be another male, especially a large male. However, occasionally, these small seats have their advantages. I am happy to report that on one very recent otherwise forlorn airplane trip, I was actually able to enjoy the flight. I was sitting in a aisle seat, and prior to takeoff, a woman and her nearly full grown daughter sat in the two rows to my left, with the daughter taking the farther away window seat. I was exhausted, and hadn’t had but about 2 hours of sleep over the last 24 hours. Regardless, I did engage in some conversation with the woman beside me, and she told me that she was a true native of Hawaii, and I’m guessing that she had Polynesian ancestry, since she had that lovely mocha complexion to her skin. Nevertheless, I doubt that many men would characterize her as a stereotypical “pretty᾿ woman, myself included. As I mentioned before, I was terribly tired, and I needed to take a rest while in flight. In order to do so, I had to remove myself from exposure to the aisle as much as possible to avoid getting bumped constantly, so I shifted myself more towards the woman beside me and tried to nap. I felt a bit guilty about it all, but I was hoping that she wouldn’t mind the slight intrusion too much. To my utter pleasant surprise, she too shifted in my direction. She was reading a book, and could use me as a prop to lean against, and I could doze leaned in her direction a bit. The plane inside was very cold, and perhaps another reason she leaned in my direction was for that little extra heat. I know that I can generate a great deal of heat and can easily stay warm while others are half freezing to death. After dozing for a long while I became alert, but I did not shift my position and I’ll tell you why. I could see that she was reading a Nora Roberts romance novel. At this stage, we were close enough that I could actually feel her body warmth and her pulse. Her pulse seemed very rapid, and at times was highly accelerated. I could feel her periodically breathe in slowly and then she would sigh ever so slowly. That book she was reading must have been very good! To make a long story short, it really got to me, and I just knew that she could sense my in kind responsive rise in respiration. We stayed in that “state᾿ for the last two hours of the flight. How often can it be said that two people simultaneously enjoy “reading᾿ the very same novel? (Smile) At the end of the flight, I got off the plane and she remained for the next leg of the flight. I wished her well, and I gave her a wink. She smiled back brightly, and thanked me warmly.
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conanld says:Posted: 31 May 08
Yes - exactly MochaDream. There is great satisfaction in knowing that I can and that I must help others to achieve a dream that has personally eluded me. Knowledge is empowering.
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MochaDream says:Posted: 31 May 08Conanld- Thanks for sharing your story; I enjoyed the post. I'm younger, but still; based on some of the stories I heard from my grandmother and older family members I know things were different back in that era. It's not that the attractions wasn't there, for the men or women, but due to the overall attitude and mentality of interracial relationships back then, it was in your(generally speaking) best interest to keep it to yourself. I'm sure there were some who chose to follow their heart, or even tried to, but the choice made, or would made have their lives very difficult, so given that time and era, I can understand your position. Thankfully, things have changed, and will continue to change with time. My brother and his wife met in highschool in the mid 80's. I can honestly say that my family was very accepting of her from day one. Oh yeah, sure it was "obvious" she was white...just like it's obvious that my youngest sister's skin is lighter than mine, but our attitude was...what did that have to do with anything? Her family, (with the exception of an aunt) did not like it at all. And the word "like" is an understatement. However, my brother and his girlfriend stood their ground, got married, and time went by. Now?...her famliy just loves my brother to pieces..for a little bit more I think they would eat him if they could..lol. Initially, without even making the attempt to know him, their main concern was his skin color, but once they got to know him, they grew to love him. So, back to what you were saying towards the end..life is too short, and time goes by really fast. Now is the time! Live, and base your actions on what YOU think and feel. Don't let it be dictated by others. They'll be out there enjoying life and happiness, while you're just going through the motions. What purpose does it serve trying to make others happy when you yourself are not? Love has no physical description or classification, and I'm sure when one is in need of blood, or a life saving transplant; when that doctor notifies them that have the organ they need to continue living...the last thing on their mind is.."what color was the person it came from?" Loving someone should follow the same suit. Thanks again for sharing your story. You never know you may end up reading it, or whos life may be touched by it.
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SerenaWilliamsIsHot says:Posted: 31 May 08
The number one reason why white men love black women in my opinion is because black women are beautiful. The media is really messed up in the fact that they portray a white woman as the ideal look of what perfection is supposed to be. Why arent their more beautiful black women on magazine covers. I would love to see more black women in media. Their is good news though. I see the trend changing. Movies such as "Something New", "Guess Who", and the newest James Bond movie with Halle Berry are changing the typical stereotypes. The new trend is white men with black women.
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SerenaWilliamsIsHot says:Posted: 31 May 08
White men date black women because of two major reasons in my opinion. #1-natural beauty and #2-black women know how to keep it real. I think black women dont get their due when it comes to the media. Most magazines portray white women as their stereotypical idea of beauty. The tide is finally turning in my opinion. Movies such as "Something New", "Guess Who", and the newest James Bond movie with Halle Berry are changing the stereotypical images. The newest trend is white men with black women.
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conanld says:Posted: 31 May 08
Ladies, the question has been asked, and you shall receive. They say that a single picture is worth a thousand words, and while I cannot hand you a physical picture, I can however attempt to depict a real life example from the vaults of my own personal life experience. Date: Circa 2004 - She just arrived today. She is to join a team of several managers presiding over our IT department, where I work as a software developer. She is presently introducing herself to a large gathering of folks in our meeting conference room. Though the room is crowded, my attention is riveted on her. She has a very dark skinned complexion even for a black woman. She is poised, dressed to kill, articulate, and she is beautiful. She has an uncanny ability to relate to every individual in that room, as if she were speaking to each person individually. She stands out like a 100 million dollar jewel in the jeweler’s shop. Fast forward a couple of months. We have an opportunity to work together on a project even though I am not her direct report. It didn’t take long at all before we became very comfortable in each other’s presence. We shared photos of our children, and even discussed some of our passions. She seemed to be particularly interested in my adoption of two little girls from China, and the fact that while I was a Caucasian, I had nevertheless undertaken the rather daunting task of learning Mandarin Chinese to the extent that I was not so far off from fluency. It was some time after that, when it happened. I cannot remember precisely what it was that we were discussing at that very moment, but I can tell you that I will never forget what happened to me when she gently but assuredly touched my leg while making a point during a discussion. My body went into sexual stimulation overload in a nanosecond, like a star on the verge of going supernova. I began to tremble uncontrollably. I made every attempt to gain back some measure of composure but it was all in vain. It seemed that I had to make a special effort just to catch my breath. I was completely caught off guard, and I felt like I was at her mercy right then and there. Surely she must have noticed what was transpiring with me, but if she did, I also sensed that she must not have been uncomfortable with it in any way. I only saw her one other time, because a re-organization resulted in her moving with her slice of the department to another facility about 30 miles away. Fast forward a couple of months again… …..Taking a quick break from a grueling conference sized meeting, I wandered around looking for the cafeteria. This was my first time ever in this particular building. Suddenly, she sees me and she calls out my name. I go to her, but I am only able to exchange a few quick words before having to rush back to my meeting. Over the years, did I fantasize over this woman? You bet I did. I am a man, and that is what men do, and I make no apology for it.
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conanld says:Posted: 31 May 08
So, what is the implication of your comment, Lacy Stacy? Are you suggesting that I as a married man have no right to comment on a public forum on such important societal issues as interpersonal race relations? I guess I must have missed the part at the top of the forum page, stating that married people, and especially people married to the same race are not welcome to contribute their personal feelings and opinions here. Your characterization my participation on this forum is not only inaccurate; it is also intellectually dishonest. Apparently it never occurred to you that that my real passion for contributing to this forum, is to serve a bigger purpose than myself. Sorry, but I did not give you permission to take that away from me. CONANLD CONANLD CONANLD CONANLD IF you love and admire black women so much then why are you married to a white woman for 20 years. And does she know how extreme sexual arousel you get by the mere presence of a black women. CONANLD IS A CON! CONANLD IS A CON!
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Rayne says:Posted: 31 May 08Jenipher, in answers to your questions. The relationship is going well....He is not the first white man I have dated. I am not the first black woman he has dated. And I no longer straighten my hair..it is natural. He considers it to be one of my best features. We both feel that we are a blessing to each other in this relationship....It is based on caring and taking the time to get to know each other and growing together. I am not a Tyra Banks, a Halle Berry, or a Monique. He is not a Brad Pitt. It really does not matter.
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conanld says:Posted: 31 May 08
In response to Lacy Stacy: Since I can unequivocally say that you and I have never met, and therefore by definition you do not personally know me, logic dictates that if anybody is a fraud in this arrangement, it would have to be you not me. Regarding your last question, I will answer it with a question of my own. Have you kept virtually nothing personal, hidden from any of the people in your life? If you can honestly answer that question with a yes, then you have earned the right to cast the first stone, but not until the time that day arrives.
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serfie says:Posted: 30 May 08I think how one is brought up really has an affect on how one sees inter-racial relationships. I am white. However, both of my parents had African-American best friends. So, while growing up, I was around black folks all the time--holidays, birthdays, etc. You could almost say I had black aunties and uncles. These were middle-class people. So when people talk about black people being ghetto, this has no meaning to me. Seriously, the only negative experience I have had with black folks is the crap that is shown on TV. My father and paternal grandfather also loved black women even though they were married to white women. I swear, if they were allowed to have posters of Diana Ross on their walls, they would have done it. It wasn't until I got to college that I was told I was a racist. Meaning, the white man is evil and inherently racist and all the crap. It kind of freaks you out when your entire universe up until that point was colorblind. Anyway, my whole life has been: black women are beautiful. With all the crap in this world, this is a very satisfying feeling. I have never had the opportunity to date black women, but knowing that if the opportunity ever arrives, I feel grateful to my parents for instilling in me values that allows it to be acceptable and healthy.
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I'm a Old Fashion Girl with a old fashion up bringing. Although i come from a family that isn't into interracial relationship, they can not and will not speak for me. For me. It's about getting to know a person, what do you have in common, Sharing likes and dislikes. But it seems now days, It's hit and quit it. And this thing about pleasing a man by sucking his dick. Honey. Let me tell you something. If you have to stoop to such levels to get that kind of a rise out of a man. Then he's not worth having. Don't ever Disrespect yourself just to keep or to hold on to a man. I don't care what color he is. Love yourself. Don't let any man make you feel less than what you are. You were created to be loved, admired, respected and protected. You're not a man's Punching Bag or his Human Jock Strap. Remember love yourself and for pete's sake use your mouth for what it was intended for. FOOD! not HUMAN CONSUMPTION!!!!!!