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Why white men love the black woman

Posted by James, 31 Aug

Ever wondered why some white guys, love black women so much?

It seems that being a white male and proclaiming your attraction to black women (not only sexually, but also romantically) may lead to a lot of controversial and dangerous things. Let’s leave the debate of why more black women may be opening themselves up to white guys. The main focus of this debate is: why some white guys are opening themselves to black women. Let’s concentrate on that.

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Most white males don’t feel like they are running short of white women to marry. White males just marry at high rates. So question is: Why black women? The thing is it will not be fair to bundle up black women as one since everyone is their own person… be it in appearance or personality.

However, one thing that a white male friend of mine said… and I let him get away with bundling it all up is: “We love a black woman's confidence, her tenacity and her undeniable achievements in the face of great adversity...᾿ Since this info was coming from a man, there was definitely the mention of the lips, the curves, and that wonderful skin as well.

So what about stereotypes like “black women are either sexually conservative or total sluts?" Many people give so much lip service to interracial dating sites. You would think they have never done it. But those uptight individuals are the ones that spread these stereotypes. What happened to the highly educated black woman? How about the caring, decent and involved black woman?

Probably most white guys and others are confused with the stereotypical trash people spread around and if you are one that falls for such lame ol’ lines, then you sure as hell haven’t dated a black woman.

Bottom line, you don't have to sacrifice who you are for a white guy. They will love you anyway. Just be you and open yourself up… and if you like white guys, some white guy will find you too.

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  1.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    Sunday and we are STILL on this. @Ich if what I said didn't bother you then, why even address it? The point I was making to YOU is that if someone called you out of your name,or better yet someone said that about your sister, momma, niece, gf etc, would you have a problem with it then? Would you sit on the sideline then? I doubt it. Also my point was that most of the men don't say anything because he doesn't talk about YOU. I have yet to see him call black men sell-outs or question why black men aren't married and you know why? As long as some of you are silent, he probably assumes that you agree with him whether you do or not. I'm waiting for for the day when he calls some of the brothas out an see if ya'll say anything then.

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  2.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    @Scoff/Sarah, Hi Scoff, Luv you too! I hope you and Ms. Sarah are having a good time, a real good time(lol). Give Sarah a big hug and tell her that she is loved here and I'm praying for her family, especially her daughter. The best is yet to come!!! love godiva

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  3.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    @Ichibod, In response to your comment about Bama being nominated as the 'official spokeswoman' for the women on this thread, is somewhat puzzling to ME! Let's be honest here, Bama is NOT the first woman to express her concerns about the language, name calling that has been constantly used toward's black women here on this site. There has been MANY women, including myself who has expressed exactly the same sentiment's, only to have them dismissed, and watered down! I have also expressed my feelings about the blatant disrespect toward's the few ELDERS, that are here, Scoff/Sarah, and World Citizen. These three people are older and wiser than any of us, and they DESERVED much better than what they received here on this site!!! And no we can't honestly say that LQ was solely responsible for this, because there was one other who did more than his share of disrespecting his elders. Actually I think he was more horrible. The point that I'm trying to make is this, 'if and when something is being said by the MAJORITY of the people, then maybe there is some truth to what they are saying'!!!! When I first came to this site, I heard the explaination for the name of 'sellout black women'. The reason given was when black women put down/degrade black men for being with white men, something along those lines. Okay, I do NOT agree with any woman talking in this manner, but I also do NOT agree when the men do it! Since it's morally wrong when the woman, does it, it's just as wrong when the men do it! Contrary to popular belief, I have heard black men say some pretty nasty things about ALL black women, especially those who now have a white partner, so are they sellouts? I never hear the men being called 'sellouts', or their partners, I wonder why???? What I have heard here, is the excuse that it's black women fault for black men wanting/desiring ONLY white women. When a black woman say's the exact same thing, then it's a problem! He has a reason/excuse, she has the exact same reason/excuse, but here she get's villified, he get's a free pass!!! Speaking for me ONLY at this time, I have NEVER said any derogatory thing about a black man. I loved , respected, and honored my husband, my daddy and my brother's too much to do reduce them by calling them out of their names. Even though I have never behaved in this manner here on this site, I still haven't gotten the nastiness, the being called a whore, and being referred to as a 'sellout'! When a person says 'black women' this or that, women is plural, this means that I am included in this group! The same rule applies when women say 'black men this or that', you and EVERY single black man is included in that line of fire! This is wrong, inappropiate, unfair, and just plain stupid! Isn't it just a little too hypocritcal for any of us to denounce certain behaviors, such as degrading your own people, but in the same breath, some of us are doing exactly what we don't want done to us?? I'm not a slut, sellout, nappy headed etc,etc, and when these things are said, I don't take them personally, but here's the thing, if one of my sisters are being reduced in this matter, it's just as DEVESTATING!!!! When one of my brother's here are being downgraded, it would be, and is, no different if it was one of my relatives, including my son, the DEVESTATION is still there!!! We ALL need to listen more, and try walking in another shoes every once in a while, then maybe we could be a little more aware of how we speak to one another!!!! Making valid point's is one thing but it seems the message keeps getting lost/ overshadowed by the name calling!!!! When you TRULY care about other's, it's worth the effort and time to find the proper way in reaching out to them, so that they will listen to you, and respect you, this can not be done in a successful manner if your dragging them through the mud! Where do we go from here?????? We all are in this together! love godiva

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  4.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    @tatted2death, The way I see it, you BOTH continue to make comments towards each other.. Yes I know who made the last comment, but I also know who made the comment prior to the last comment, and this is perhaps why the conflict continue's!! So I will say the exact same thing to you as I did to Natalie, which is, if Natalie continues to make snide comments about you/to you, that doesn't mean that you have to respond. Also, I did say "that it doesn't matter how this got started", this does NOT mean that I don't care because I was not implicated as you stated. My reason for stating this was ONLY because I did NOT want other's to jump in with their version of how it started. I was here so I know how it got started!! I intentionally left this part out in hopes that the conversation stayed focused on you and Natalie, and not everyone else. Of course I know other's read what I said, it is a public forum, but I guess it's safe to say that my stratedgy worked, because as of this moment, no other's has commented with the exception of you and Natalie, the only two people who in my opinion, needed to respond. You both have responded and I apprecaite it your response(s) and your honesty. As I stated in my original post, I was hoping that this tiff between the two of you would have ceased by now, and since that has yet to happen, and I do care about you both, I felt compelled to intervene in my own way, so that it could stop! If one of you, or both of you decide to continue on, so be it, I can't stop you, however, it will continue to sadden me, to see the two of you go at it. You have my word as a woman, and a mother that I will NEVER bring it up again! Last but not least, I am a peaceful person, by nature, here as well in my personal life. Yes I do promote and live by the 'can't we all get along mentality', however, I am not so naive to know that sometimes we ALL have to put on our boxing gloves, so to speak in order to defend ourselves, including myself. However after the gloves come off, I'm still in favor of a peaceful resolution, and I will make no apology for living this way! I could have played it safe and not said anything at all, but safe isn't always best! If I had it to do all over again, I would! I am not sorry for what I have attempted here! love godiva

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  5.   tatted2death says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    LOL@ICH......you don't need the "chemical enhancement" (S-curl....I used to ask/speculate what the "s" REALLY stood for.....LOL)...those ads used to bust me up as well....in fact, take a look at any mag and you will see the same sort of madness. Guys trying to out "glam" the girls....girls so "slim" they look like boys. I am all for "blurring" all sorts of lines but there is a limit to this....LOL. Peace

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  6.   tatted2death says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    THANKS to Godiva (WARNING: ALL OTHERS MAY WISH TO SCROLL...LOL)......for your sentiments and "attempt"......but of course you know I can make no promise either (but think to yourself.....who was the last to "comment" before you offered your mediation???). The one thing I truly have faith in is some people's adherence to HUMAN NATURE. And some people will do all the "can't we all just get along" preaching UNTIL something has "rubbed" them the wrong way (and I am speaking on a PERSONAL level because I yoke myself with NO ONE that I have not had the pleasure/displeasure of meeting face-to-face). Of course, you wouldn't care "how it all started" because you were not implicated at all.....it's only natural....and I completely understand and respect your perspective. But I also understand that the Internet is the LAST place where I can expect "what is right" to win out. There is no justice to be had where people are so "anonymous" and protected by cyber space. Yet, the true warrior/survivor code lives somewhere deep in my heart....."If I live, I will kill you...If I die you are forgiven". Of course, not in those extremes and it is tempered mainly by my sincere and strong desire for peace (I can't go around "killing"/destroying everyone that has "offended" and/or "wronged" me....lol...there is only so much time given to us). I am, at all times, brutally honest with myself (but who here can possibly know that as fact the way I do...lol) and I know what I am and am not above. I know of what human attributes I do and do not have the capacity. Of course I am not completely content and there is room for improvement. But all of that "shyt" matters not to the dear readers here. Most are looking for "entertainment" (myself included of course, at times).....I provide. Some are looking for insight.....at times, I provide this as well. I look to "steal" no ones "thunder" here and nor to I wish to "mask" myself with self-righteousness. We all wish to be our best.....my only issue is when people chose to start "pretending" like they are the beacon to which all others must be compared....or that they are above occasional hypocrisy (no HUMAN is COMPLETELY immune to this....lol). THAT BS just does not fly with me. People that preach they don't give others the power to "move" them yet they allow themselves to "get drawn in" tend to fit themselves neatly into a certain category for me....they do all the hard work there...LOL. I maintain my stance of ATTEMPING balance (within MYSELF). If that is interpreted as self-righteousness, so be it......for it essentially effects no one but ME. Peace and Love to you, sis tatted2death

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  7.   tatted2death says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    THANKS to BAMA for her wonderful "STOP" signs....flawless. Bama, I understand (more than you know) your predicament right now.....but HAVE FAITH....in yourself, FIRST. This individual (and anyone that truly takes his nonsense to heart) probably will not stop twisting because it provides the "shits and giggles" factor that helps his sensationalism thrive (and OTHERS "boredom"....excuses, much???) And the people that continue to read and ABSORB some of the nonsense that he writes in here (that have NOTHING to really do with the topic at hand....the "MADE UP SHYT") are NOT going to step in here....WHY WOULD THEY REALLY??? I long ago have let this blog take a back seat and put certain individuals in their place (safely behind a screen and keyboard...were they seem comfortable enough to talk about things they cannot possibly know). Cyber-bullies, trolls, imps......whatever you choose to call them will ALWAYS be around. Some of us (who have been on this site longer than others) have seen many come and go; some of the last few have had some enormous "staying power". They will call you everything under the sun yet expect you to sit on your laurels and get pelted from every side. Because no matter what you say from that point on everything you type will most definitely be meant for "only them" (lol). I totally understood where you were coming from (perhaps because I am NOT "guilty" of silence here...LOL) when it came to the "defense" issue. Isn't it amazing though that we have some in here that expect that same "defense" although they provide none.....perfect example is this latest "whine" over Salassin's "misstep" in speaking of shoeshiners (didn't know ALL shoeshiners were only black back in the day...amazing to me, what some people choose to get offended over). He definitely could have chosen a better "comeback" but why are other so-called "men" getting upset because WOMEN won't come to their "defense" (IF that is REALLY what they think is needed...lol). AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME such BS has been perpetrated here.....remember World Citizen and a certain "plea" for us not to support her and her "lies"????....LMAO. Oh yeah, let's rally around the ones telling us that we are basically worthless, instead.....the ones that call women "pussies".....yup, that makes all the sense in the universe......(PFFT). In short, I think you know what is going on here, Bama....and so do the other "characters" here.....because yes, we ALL play a "role" (whether we like to believe it or not) Peace and Blessings tatted2death

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  8.   Member says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    I don't even know what she is "offended" by. The fact that I told her she is slut bucket for dating two white men. Is she offended that the "perception" sounds like the truth? All she had to say was "I am not sleeping with none of the men". Instead, she made herself look worse. None of the women on this board even defend her. The people that "she thinks" are defending her. They just dislike me and my comments. The last person to defend you was Sal and he even said "she could be exploring relationships". Not even an "Lawyer" can defend you concerning the two white men you are currently manipulating. Ich is actually being nice to your ass. You come off like you are "attacking him" for "what I say". Stop all the bullshit whining and complaining. Just address the issue that got your ass in trouble on the board in the FIRST PLACE. The fact you are with "two white men". I don't even make comments towards you anymore. Obviously, my comments bother you because it is true. You even took your picture down. People might recognize you in Alabama and "blow your spot" up. Anyway, hey Scoff and Sara. Contrary to what people believe I like hearing positive stories about relationships, regardless of race. Now debating the whole dating outside of your race is another topic altogether. My concern is black women thinking getting a white man is instant "Utopia". Good day

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  9.   Ichibod says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    Bama, I was not offended at all by your comments. Every knows what it's like to be offended by something. Some poeple may be offended by the way they are approached, some people may be offended by coreection, some may be offended by rejection, and others may be simply by the truth. Not everyone who is offended for whatever reason shares their offense from the same perspective and not everyone is offended by the same things. So, no. I am not sure how you feel. And as far as other ladies, seeing as though you've somehow been nominated as the official spokesperson for the other women on the thread, I'm not sure how they feel, either. I was just trying to show you a different perspective and you're obviously not trying to hear it. I'm going to leave it alone now. Just do you and and hope it leads you to where you want to go. Also, since I was a child, the only thing I ever liked about Essence magazine was the hair care ads. I used to try and pose like the guys on the S-Curl boxes.

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  10.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    @Ichibod Ich if what I said offended you in some way,now you know in some small part how I felt and how some of the other ladies feel.

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  11.   Ichibod says:
    Posted: 07 Mar 10

    Hey Scoff! @ Salsa, I'm still going through your YouTube videos. Quite impressive. I haven't figured out what to do with my page yet. @ Bama, It would have made more sense to ask me, " What if someone called you bad names or attacked your character and credibility" rather than finding a name for me to be called. Leave the imagination up to whomever chooses to disrespect me. I've been called many things. I've never heard those three words used together in any order as an insult, or even as a rap lyric. How clever of you to come with that off top, or perhaps how deep is you mind in the gutter. No one is afraid of Laurelton (I would think not), nor does he need anyone on his side. The silence is defening to you, but you should take it as good advice. "Bashing or even borderline bruising Black women is what hot in da streetz." You need to stay out of the streets, Girlfriend. I do.

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  12.   Scoff/Sarah says:
    Posted: 06 Mar 10

    Still hanging around: Ah I see Mr. Queens is still at it, starting a big,(what ever), baiting up everyone, then trying to use all his tricks to make them look foolish. In the end who wins, he is still spending more time on the blog than all of us put togeather, hmmm does that say alot about his life or lack of one. I know he is an alright person, just a little mis-directed. I'm feeling real good today as it is Saturday and that special Lady is going to be hear any minute now, and we do have big plans, down to the coast dinner and a little music, Lord only knows she needs a little down time, still taking care of family, (as she should) so I try to make her time here count. Lots of laughs, and alone time, we still talk about our younger days and laugh, and that first kiss, and yes she was really scared someone would find out she kissed a white boy. (1964 rural south Alabama). I still tease her about that, once in Wal-mart, she laughed at me and planted one hot passionate kiss on me in front of a black cashier. Stood back and looked at me then the cashier and said thats my man. The lady just rolled her eyes and laughed. Anyway everyone have a nice day, it is good to see all my old friends around Lady Godiva, (FIRST CLASS LUV YU.) Love all of you Scoff

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  13.   MzBrOwNSuGaR says:
    Posted: 06 Mar 10

    @Ichibod: boots hadn't said anything to me, I was responding to his post. ------------- @boots : I do know you haven't used disrespectful terms, that wasn't what I was saying, or trying to say, or referring to, or whatever, lol. ... "Iam sure queen cares about blk women too" If ya read the things he says and believe that, ok. ... but you guys dont seem to have a problem with good old SAL. Lol @ "you guys", no where has anyone seen me jump on that band wagon. Like I said before, some are just enjoying the fighting.

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  14.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 06 Mar 10

    James Cameron also responsible for Avatar

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  15.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 06 Mar 10

    @Ms godiva You are right. Ok, I haven't watched the Oscars for years myself. I too would like to have seen the speeches of Halle and Denzel too, but if you have access to youtube, just type something like denzel oscar speech and a video should come up. Ok, here are my predictions,LOL. Best Picture:The Blind Side or either Avatar can't tell, again Cameron is a heavy hitter. Best Actress: Sandra Bullock for The Blind Side I don't think Sidibe will get it(precious)even though I want her to. Merryl Streep(heavy hitter) Best Actor:George Clooney up against two heavy hitters Morgan Freeman and Jeff Bridges. I want Jeff Brides to win though,lol. A surprise for me is Colin Firth. I like his work. Best Supporting Actor: Matt Damon for Invictus Best Director: It's a hard choice between Lee Daniels(Precious) and James Cameron. I want Lee to get it but he is up against some HEAVY,HEAVY hitters like Cameron who is one of my favorites. He comes out with a movie only once every 8-10 YEARS and hits HARD when he does,lol. He is responsible for the movie Titanic, Aliens not Alien and the Terminator and the Terminator 2:Judgement Day. His spin on Aliens and the Terminator are masterpieces in my opinon. Another one of my favorite heavy hitters is Quentin Tarantino:Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction and my favorites Kill Bill vol 1 and 2. Best Supporting Actress :Mo Nique what can I say the lady did the d@MN thang!! Oh, go to YOUTUBE and watch her Golden Globe acceptance speech, beautiful. There are some other smaller categories but I have already talked/typed your ears off,sorry,lol. I'm just a movie lover and like analyzing them,forgive me.

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  16.   loveblkwomen says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    I love black women and find them very attractive, confident, sexy and wonderful in the bed. I'm a white male 41 yrs old and wish I had married the black gilr I use to date in high school.... oh how I wish! She was the best lover, friend and girl I ever meet, but I allowed being picked at by white girls who I use to date and soem friends would do so as well. I should of never let them influence me like that!!! I believe you can only have one true love and I let mine walk right out of my life because of the race card that I let my freinds and family pull over on me. Do not ever let that happen to you...go for it, regardless of color!!!

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  17.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @Godiva agreed with everything you've said. To the article, I loved it because it said everything I wanted to say but couldn't quite find the words for it. She is just basically saying she is tired of everywhere trying to define why black women are single from black men to white men, from woman to woman and basically saying don't let anyone box you in with their sterotypes. It was the right article at the right time and I'm glad most of you liked it and GOT IT.

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  18.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    P.S, This is an interracial site right?, so why is it that Black and White is always the topic????? There are other people in this world besides Black and White and if you don't know that, then maybe it's time to open your eyes, travel, read a book, see the world!! love godiva

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  19.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Okay, everyone I'm on a roll so bare with me, or not! Last night, I saw a young lady of 29 yrs old, lose her battle with breast cancer. It was very sad and humbling to see a young life slip away but as always with my line of work it makes me grateful for the wonderful life that I do have, but more importantly, it's a constant reminder to me, to value the time that I have in this life. We waste money, we can get it back, but wasted time, never comes back!! Which brings me to my train of thought today about some of the nonsense and bullsh@#!, that occurs on this site!!!! 1. Common courtesy and good manners towards other's, even in difference of opinion should be the NORM, not the ABNORMAL!!!! If you weren't taught manners, that's your problem, don't make it our problem! Solution! Treat people in the manner in which you want to be treated!!!!!! 2. Stop with the HYPOCRISY!!! Just because you don't degrade black women with verbal tirades and derogatory names, DOES NOT MEANT THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE IT DOES! If for whatever reason(s) you say nothing, that's your choice to do so, or not, but please don't get mad when the assumption is that you are just as guilty because you say nothing!! Some might assume that your silence is CONDONING this type of behavior, notice I said some and not ALL!!!! 3.The above comment is directed towards the WOMEN as well!!!! 4. By now, everyone here should know the difference between SINGULAR and PLURAL!! Example, man is singular, men is plural!!!!!! Is is too much to ask, and expect to be treated as INDIVIDUALS regardless of our gender, race, race, creed???? Is this really too hard for some of us to comprehend???? Do we really know ALL white people, black women, asian women, etc, etc? 5. This is not kindergarten or grade school, so if you are into bullying and name calling, why should we refer to you as an adult???? Your credibilty went out the window the moment you started behaving like a 5yr old!! 6. There has been racial slurs on both sides of the fence. I just read the one that Salsassin made about the "shining of shoes". I don't agree with it, don't like it, but I didn't like it when AZ told a black woman(even though she is evil) to "go back to Africa", and if my memory serves me correctly, no black person, male or female found that offensive enough to step to him except for me. If that's not a racial slur then I don't know what is!!! 7. If you have an issue with someone, be man or woman enough to go straight to that person and deal with the INDIVIDUAL, instead of trying to turn it into a black man, black woman thing! Not only do we NOT all look alike, we don't all think the same! I am one of MANY black women, I am NOT all black women!! 8. Lastly, for now anyway, STOP trying to be the VICTIM and the PERPETRATOR all at once! To whine about how you as black woman/ black man is being treated and having a so called beef with someone, and the whole time you are provoking the situation, is HYPOCRISY at it's best!! If you can't take it then don't dish it out!!!!!!! In other word's, grow up!!!!!!!! love godiva

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  20.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Just to give you an idea. The Netherlands has its greatest Afrodiasporic population from Surinam. 1/3 of the women studied where in interracial relationships with Dutch boys. That is a higher percentage than Black males with White females in the US.

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  21.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @bigeyes31, You know I love you girl, I've always have and always will! I love Tatt as well, but if Tatt for whatever reason(s) want's to keep the comments coming, that doesn't mean that you have to respond!! When we let thing's go, there's no need to keep making mention of it, right??? Also, you know that every battle is not for you to fight!!! When you are right, your victory will come and you will never even have to lift a finger to see it come to pass!! So what are your predictions for the Oscar's? I haven't watched the Oscar's since they snubbed the Color Purple. I even missed when Denzel and Halle won, even though I didn't like either one of those movies,but I wished I had seen them when they won! love godiva

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  22.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Just a caveat for the rest. Stale gum mentions the lack of interest in White men. I guess he forgets that Jim Crow just ended 40 years ago. The trend is still one of increase in interracial marriages. SO he can claim White men aren't as interested all he wants, that interest is obviously growing. He also fails to notice that White men aren't only American. In Latin America the Black White interrmarriage rate is 40%. And Afrodiasporic people in other countries are not so shy about marrying each other. There is no Jim Crow history. Many Black women have married White immigrants.

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  23.   Member says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    (Eating pop corn) (Just looking around). I hardly get off topic until emotional people say something to me. It is never personal for me. Queen Latifah pulls out an article that backs up everything that has been said about white men picking black women last. 1. I don't know if the author understands that sellout black women are not to blame. White men are just not that interested. You pulled out the statistics and start "denying it". Who does that??????????? 2. Who are these "mysterious" people telling black women who to date, how to think, and what to do? I don't know they are. Yea, I might know. The sellout black women bloggers that have led black women "astray". How do you explain to your constituents the mighty white man picks you "last"? Basically, you can't do it so you blame black men. All roads lead back to black men. When black women fail, it was "black ass" Laurelton that did it. LOL 40 percent of black women have never been married. Black men "play a part in that". However, the same white men you "worship" are not exactly beating down the door for you either. Listen, this issue has been ongoing for black women for the last 10 to 15 years. They cry and complain on National Television. The media gets bored. The sellout black women go back "to bashing black men". The cycle repeats itself all the time. Mind you, the media never really "interviews" white men about why they refuse to date black women or email them back. Let me show how dysfunctional sellout black women are. Instead of "lashing out" at white men, they make EXCUSES for them. This was an interesting comment from "above". "STOP telling me to date (or not to date) White men. All of you. Seriously. I’ll date that blue dude from “Avatar” if I freakin’ want to. People dating the rainbow coalition, good for you. People only attracted to a certain type, good for you. People who have given up on one type and are looking for another type to swoop in and save them, good luck with that. Either way, I’m tired of hearing about it." Some might say the Blue Avatar might run from you too. Black women would cry and complain the Blue Avatar likes white women! At this point, when the statistics are this low for black women. It is not the "men". You need to point the finger at yourself. Your fellow desperate sellout black women is "telling" you who to date. Black men is not telling you who to date. White men are not telling you who to date. "Other black women" are doing this. It is amazing to me this "woman" is throwing a tantrum but is not directly attacking the culprits who make money off her misery. Another example "I get it. I really do. Bashing or even borderline bruising Black women is what hot in da streetz. By bashing I mean telling us why we ain’t nothing, ain’t gonna have nothing, ain’t gonna have nobody to share nothing with. Sure, it gets you book deals and blog views and radio shows and talk shows and photo ops and movie deals and basically… paid. I get it. You found a hustle that works and you only have to kick a group of people that are already down to do it." I do recall white men "directed and produced" "Something New". Something New and Lakeview Terrace are not fair representations of all black women and dating. Monster's ball and Precious are not fair representations of all black women. Sal disagreed with me because he sees many "Monster's ball black women" in his neighborhood. On the verge of eviction and with an obese male child. The author just noticed they made money off her lonely black ass. Several sellout black women have books out. I don't knock them because I might do a book too. If you are going to get self righteous about this "hustle", admit you are trying to "hustle white men" to marry you. I do not see white men doing a national televised interview saying "damn where the black women at"? Please show me that. Judging from the author's poorly written grievances, I know why she single. Have a nice day.

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  24.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Ms.godiva You know what,you are right. I will give it an honest try to ignore certain people. I will do it out respect for myself and the respect I have for you and because it's rigt. I can only try my best but I can't make any promises. No, I don't get mad about correction because I know it comes from love,ms godiva. No, not at all mad with you :-)

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  25.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Doing a cross country trip helping a friend move, so my responses will probably come in a week or so. Have at it Boots, I'll respond when I get back. Still haven't put you in the stale gum category.

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  26.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Lucky you. I don't buy the cheap shoes. So every once in a while I do shine them. Of course we don't need to shine them in the military anymore. I never asked anyone to shine my shoes unless he was working doing that, including some of my fellow Latinos who are some of the best shoe shiners out there. I also don't go looking for fights with old people and then get my ass whooped. I also don't talk badly to Black men. I talk disrespectfully to individuals who already showed their disrespect to me and my people, be they Euro, Afro or indigenous. No, I will not support your victimology. I fully acknowledge the Black Holocaust. As well as the Roma Holocaust, the Armenian Holocaust, the millenary abuse of the Irish, etc. I hold White people accountable. I just don't give Black people a pass. just go to youtube and look at my videos. I have a lot of anti Afrocentric stuff. But I also have anti Eurocentric and anti indigenocentric stuff. So try again. youtube dot c om and then: /watch?v=E2VV6UdKdig /watch?v=3wzjMS9r8NY /watch?v=nWM3gumZzlo /watch?v=dATB4Xa0ve8 /watch?v=iYoTFE3a7cc /watch?v=ksKSAIjI84I /watch?v=iHO4DfA0y_k /watch?v=dXGDo-SqFec /watch?v=acc3snelE9U /watch?v=acc3snelE9U /watch?v=V7-IFRCKOVI /watch?v=e1ErpARc11g /watch?v=NqMi9YDRlEI /watch?v=mVCSttXBapw /watch?v=z-34ws2w3Zo /watch?v=Q-E7cf0Pcn8 /watch?v=eW9oQhhLQZI Can you say the same thing? When have you ever had the balls to criticize your own people. No, I criticize fake ass hypocritical idiots such as yourself, not Blacks.

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  27.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    boots good point boots I didn't like that reference about the the "shining shoes". I do think that is degrating and I Failed to say so. I will say this though I felt like you guys are well able to defend yourselves as you have proven.Sal against you, Fenway against Sal and Queens against the world,lol Bama is shall I say a "weaker vessel" as the Bible refers to us women spiritually speaking. Let me put it this way, I have seen men fight and I ain't jumping in a fist fight between men,lol. I would like to keep my jaw in intact,lol.

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  28.   boots says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Sorry guys... that last comment should be deleted(I more)...I did have 1 more thing, but it can wait.

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  29.   boots says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Greetins to all.. Hey Sal.....I dont shine shoes...lol..all that stuff you got posted about myths is good..stay tuned I got a good resposne 4 you.......To MzBrownsugar...I love blk women, been married 25yrs to a beautiful blk women, and Iam sure queen cares about blk women too ,myself I dont use degrading language when referring to blk women. Unlike SAL when he talks about blk men ' go shine some ' that's degrading toward a blk man ,but you guys dont seem to have a problem with good old SAL.. btw Sal has had a beef with several blk men on this site...myself, queens, fenway2k..We have a problem with the fact that some blk women dont want to hold white men accountable.....indeed I have been going on back and forth with a guy(SAL) who claims to be educated but wont even admit that blks have suffered most from slavery ...go figure.....I more

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  30.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Oh ok. That picture isn't her. LOL. She ain't bad looking though. And with that mind, quite appealing.

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  31.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Damn, Michelle Grant, what a brilliant article, and I can't for the life of me see how a woman that intelligent and that beautiful could be single. Right now I wish I was an Avatar to date her. :) Something wrong with the world.

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  32.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @BE that is the BEST written article I've seen yet on the subject and in general that's how I feel. How can you tell a person how they should feel, think or act because each situation is different for each person. I just thought he brought some truth to the siutation.

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  33.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    To the believers on this site, GOD is not a GOD of confusion or chaos!! If you are promoting/condoning chaos and confusion, this is NOT of GOD!!!!!!!! To the Non-Believer's, Agnostic, Atheist or whatever you want to call yourselves, if you are promoting/condoning chaos and confusion, the word for you is, KARMA!!!!!!!!! love godiva

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  34.   godiva61 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @Ms.Tatted and Ms.bigeyes31, First off, I would like to thank you BOTH for your compliment's and admiration of me, I am truly humbled and appreciative of your sentiments towards me!!!! I can not and will not take the credit, the credit belongs to GOD. It is HE that has opened my eyes, my heart, and silenced me when I needed to be silent, so that I could listen to what I NEEDED to hear, and not just what I WANTED to hear! Second, I love you BOTH and I admire your intelligence, beauty and stong will. I think that the two of you have so much to offer in order to make this world a better place for us all and for that I am grateful. Third, and my reason for writing this, is because I would LOVE to see the two of you make peace with each other, or at the very least, committ to not bringing up the PAST in any way, shape or form. I can not, nor wiil I, ask either of you to be something that you are not, and I definitely don't want either of you to be phony, but I am asking you BOTH, to start ANEW from this day forward. We can not go back and change what we have said in the past, but we can change the tone, and the outlook of the future. This does NOT mean that I expect the two of you to be the best of friend's, it would be nice, but, you do NOT have to continue on in this manner!! I want you to BOTH know that because I genuinely care about you both, and I want and pray for the very best in your lives for today as well as the future. I was hoping and praying by now this situation would have ceased, but since it hasn't, I felt compelled to speak to you about it. The TWO of you are much more in depth and in character to continue on in this manner!!! Since we ALL fall short from time to time, it is in my opinion that BOTH of you could look back and see where you both could have, should have, said something in a different manner, or not say something at all, that's something to at least think/meditate on, what do you think? I don't need an answer, nor do I expect an answer, and besides, the true answer is in EACH of your heart's. Last but not least, it doesn't matter how or why this got started, but I think you owe it to yourselves, to end it!!!!! I love you BOTH enough to say, without a doubt or with any hesitation, that I, expect better from both of you! I'm hoping that you receive this in the manner in which it comes, which is love and I don't want either of you to be mad at me for my feeble attempt of intervening but I could not go on another day without trying to bring about peace. You see I believe that one day I might be asked "why didn't you try"????? If either of you become angry with me, I won't like it but I'd rather take the chance on you not liking me, rather than continue to keep looking myself in the mirror knowing that I didn't at least try!!!!!! I'm still going to love you BOTH even if you are mad(lol).. Please, just think about it! love godiva

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  35.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Ha ha BAMA you go girl. I guess I busy responding to your first post and then I saw the last one,sorry I'm so slow. I agree,take the statistics and be aware of them but not a slave to them. Stop telling me that I ain't got nothin, nobody to share nothin' with...omg LOL. I long ago learned to stop attaching myself to other peoples labels, self-fulfilling prophecies, and attempts to define me. That's why no one on here can bother me. This power has often been misinterpreted as "feeling myself" but relaxing comes from when you can face facts according to statistics and experts, but still work to change YOUR own individual facts and numbers. Now,anybody having any oscar parties?LOL.

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  36.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @Bama I understand what you are saying and you feel compelled to stand up against Queens,it won't work. I have seen Queens make some valid points when he stays on the points. I say this all the time, this is a blog/forum, there will be debates. Some of us,Queens included enjoy that part of it. I mean even Salsassin has admitted to enjoying some part of it(the debate),maybe because he is a lawyer,IDK. I accepted that part of this "place" long ago. I don't agree with calling names UNLESS that person has gotten personal in some way with you FIRST, then you have a right but it MUST BE CLEAR and not "imagined". That's my opinion and not some sort of rule of the blog or anything. That's just what I go by and just because it's a rule that I CAN choose to execute,doesn't always mean I take advantage of it. If I really wanted, I could down right "dog" some people out on here but I don't.Some people draw you in, I mean I have someone who constantly keeps making references to me,about me,mentioning my name even though I have long defeated them in debate, dismissed and written them off. Truly offering peace means at some point you stop. You don't offer olive branches and then keep fighting. I mean that's only logical thinking to me. I implore you, please stop. Don't be like the aforementioned example. It will go on and on. Share your insight and keep going.But if you choose to stand and fight, that is your choice but guard your heart by picking your best shield and choosing your deadliest weapons because it will and can get bloody in here,lol. Peace, but I don't offer branches because I may still have to defend myself,lol

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  37.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    All I have to say about this is AMEN THANK YOU JESUS SOMEONE ACTUALLY GETS IT! Michele Grant from Black 'n Bougie reacts to all the sudden attention focused on the single Black woman and her dating life. From relationship gurus to bloggers with an opinion, she declares "enough is enough." "Stop telling me how I think, what to do, how to look, who to date, when to exhale...I beg of you." I get it. I really do. Bashing or even borderline bruising Black women is what hot in da streetz. By bashing I mean telling us why we ain't nothing, ain't gonna have nothing, ain't gonna have nobody to share nothing with. Sure, it gets you book deals and blog views and radio shows and talk shows and photo ops and movie deals and basically... paid. I get it. You found a hustle that works and you only have to kick a group of people that are already down to do it. Oh, you think you're being helpful offering up your "self-help" and "how-to" and "best way" opinions to us? Even those of you that are not directly authoring the yada-yada, do you really think you're helping by adding in your "tsk-tsk" or "co-sign" two cents response to the media swirl about all the problems with the sisterhood? You're not. You are adding to the already cacophonous wall of noise. I respectfully request that right after commenting on this post J... everyone just shut up. I am talking to celebs and so-called relationship gurus, writers, columnists, bloggers, regular folks talking in the coffee shop, women and men, young and old, Black, White, and everything in between... just STOP. STOP re-quoting the statistics about successful educated Black women never getting married or having kids. Would you rather we stayed stupid and broke for the sake of a ring? Of course not, so how is reminding us of the statistics going to help? It's just going to make the desperate more desperate and the hopeless less hopeful. I can't see the good in that. Those of us staying optimistic become less so in the face of all the overwhelming evidence. Maybe we will (get married), maybe we won't but the continuous talk of a "crisis" in the community (because of our unmarried state) is just plain mean.
 STOP telling me how to look to catch a man. No, it's not my weight. I've been everything from a size 8 to a 22 and back again and had a man at every one of those sizes. No, it's not my hair, I've been straight, kinky, wavy, weaved, pony-tailed and darn near bald... had a man at every step of the way there, too. For every so-called flawless woman with a ring, I can name two so-called flawless women without one. Oh, magazines--this is for you, too. Stop telling us that this lipstick, that high-heeled boot, that pencil skirt is the thing we MUST own to snare Mr. Right.
 STOP telling me to date (or not to date) White men. All of you. Seriously. I'll date that blue dude from "Avatar" if I freakin' want to. People dating the rainbow coalition, good for you. People only attracted to a certain type, good for you. People who have given up on one type and are looking for another type to swoop in and save them, good luck with that. Either way, I'm tired of hearing about it. STOP looking for someone to blame. It's not that all Black women are mean or picky or high-maintenance--GTFOH with that. It's not that all Black men are trifling or thuggish or under-employed--that's bullshiggity, too. All the Black men are not in jail, all the sisters aren't expecting "too much"--those are cop out answers. I'm sure every woman who is single could sit down and point to a variety of reasons (good, bad and in-between) why they are that way today. Each story is an individual one both personal and unique to the person telling it. Let them own that story, quit painting with the broad strokes... 
 STOP acting like we are either sitting around waiting to exhale or are gasping our last breath surrounded by 20 cats. Can we not be vibrant, complete individuals regardless of relationship status? And this goes for you too other sisters... stop giving us the "I'm so sad for you" look because you have a man and we don't (at the moment). This just makes us angry and less sympathetic should things not work out between you and your boo. We don't need sympathy, just a little support and a smile. Please and thank you in advance. 
 STOP acting like my brains are a detriment. I shall not be dumbing it down for the cause of snaring a man. Nor will I emasculate him by pointing out all the stuff I may know that he doesn't. Not everybody can match my Scrabble game... I'm evil with it, son... evil. Don't come at me with the Trivial Pursuit either... moving on. This whole concept of acting like I'm less than I am to make a man feel like more than he is... that's crap. That means we are not a fit. Onto the next... hopefully. 
 STOP judging me because I have standards. Not prejudices... standards. Sure I would date the UPS man if we found each other attractive and interesting. But the UPS man who has four kids, four baby mamas, two parole officers and a habit of blowing his paycheck on a great batch of chronic... hell no. That doesn't make me snobby or bougie, that makes me self-aware of my own code of values, tolerance and limitations. 
 STOP assuming we all want Barack ambition, Denzel smile, LL Cool J body, Kanye swagger, LeBron money and Idris vibe. I mean, that's nice and all but we know expecting one dude to have all of that wrapped up in one package is ridiculosity of the highest order. Most of us would be happy with someone we can trust, laugh with, talk to and ride out a crisis with your mutual affection and admiration still intact. We'll start with that every day of the week. 
 STOP telling us that you (and you alone) have the answer (the fix, the cure!). You don't or we wouldn't still be talking about it. And by the way, if your answer involves me becoming a completely different person than I am, you may keep that. Don't start with the argument that clearly what I've done up to now hasn't worked... er, uh--I know. You throwing Hallmark-style affirmations my way (packaged as a book of "get a man gospel") is useless and kinda slimy. 
 STOP helping. Really, stop offering up opinions and concern and editorials. Especially if your own relationship history is kinda suspect. I wouldn't take boat-steering advice from the Exxon Valdez captain or fact-checking advice from Jayson Blair... just sayin'. Read more: http://www.essence.com/relationships/hot_topics_5/commentary_single_black_ladies.php#ixzz1YO4EjLEb

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  38.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Interesting article on Black women and online dating from Essence.com. Good news for this site apparently... As the talk about how difficult it is for Black women to date continues, NYTimes.com blog "Freakonomics" is chiming in on the conversation, examining our chances of finding a match on the Web. The post explores the response-rate, from men of all races, to messages sent by Black women on the popular online dating site OKCupid.com. Apparently, men replied to e-mails sent by Black women less often than they did to notes sent by women of other races--even when they appeared to be a good match, based on the dating site's calculations. "Men (including African-American men) write back to African-American women at about a 20 percent lower rate," the post reads. It's disappointing that men who would be open-minded enough to look online for love would not be open enough to communicate with women of all races. However, it would be even more upsetting if this information discouraged Black women who are new to online dating from sending e-mails to people for fear of a non-reply. Let's not jump to the conclusion that just because men on this one dating site respond less to Black women that men on all dating sites are similarly inclined. There are other online dating sites where we might be in higher demand--like BlackPeopleMeet.com and InterracialSingles.net. Oftentimes men from all races join Black dating sites to meet single Black women. In contrast, some Black women have said they receive more messages from Black men on interracial dating sites than they do from men of other races. We wouldn't go to the same bar every week to meet the same old guys. Therefore, we shouldn't limit ourselves to one Web site when we're looking for love. It's important to not let the negative information about our chances at finding love give us a chip on our shoulder. We're smart, beautiful, fun-loving, resourceful women. We'll work it out. Read more: http://www.essence.com/relationships/hot_topics_5/black_women_have_less_success_in_online.php#ixzz1YO8vKElY

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  39.   Bamababe2k9 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @BE I really wasn't talking about the women but a lot of the men. I'm really disappointed that hardly any of them said anything. This man not only called me a degatory name but he continues to lie. Like the young lady said earlier, it's about respect. WE could have agreed to disagree but because he felt I embrassed him, he starts bullying me for no reason other then the fact I have the NERVE to call him out on his BS and will continue to do so when deemneccessary. This guy is a cyber bully. @Queenie you just trying to jusitfy your lies since you don't know the truth. You think you brow beat me into some kind of confession or admission, but in truth your pattern is obvious. You are cyber bully. The problem is the bully has run up against someone whom is willing to fight back and not take your mess.

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  40.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    @Bama Many, including myself have defended you so no one has been silent or in silent agreement out of fear. I don't think anyone on hear is afraid,especially if there is nothing to be "called out". I fear no one.Mercy is often mistaken for weaknesss.Trying to keep peace is mistaken for fear. We have been on this blog awhile and we know the ropes. We know what's going to happen next so why would we keep watching the "movie"? You are not the first and you won't be the last is my point.

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  41.   bigeyes31 says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    I love how certain people remember EVERY WORD AND PHRASE I MAKE,LOL. "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh"....one indication of victory....I'm still on your mind....."objective met"....LOL. Although, this thread had been "shortened", I still have posts that would display the source of "embarrassment" for some so they can't "SHARE" in the "glee" of a clean slate,ha ha....anyway I digress.I'm just thorough like that. Some people are unable to filter and process logic and truth that's why they "disconnect" from broadcast t.v,lol. I say, a truly balanced,healthy person should be able stay connected WITHOUT "loosing it"....LMBO. Let me stop because I feel the "warrior/victor" rising up again, just a "apart" of me,LOL. Peace, but not with "no" olive branch,lol.

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  42.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Ichibod, I agree, you really can't go back and look at older posts.

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  43.   Member says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    That is a good youtube. This Spanish bean eating coward. Have you told your Latin Wife about the black mistresses you have "Latino Mail"? I might have to put that youtube on my blog next to the prostitute. Good day Tatt and "in depth" responses lol. You giving out "Olive Branches". Right, and I am the "Pope". LOL People here love to duck questions. It is a simple question is it okay to "to date two white men"? What is so hard about that? I have yet to get a "straight" answer. You are right Tatt, I shouldn't asked you that. Obviously, many women in here are not even defending Queens Latifah. Sal said "Bama" is just "exploring" her relationships. I guess exploring is wearing different sexy lingerie for her "two" white men. Good day.

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  44.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Another loser hypocrite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOxnnwFlq0

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  45.   tatted2death says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    NO hiding going on here, "Daffy".....just don't see the point in adding to the chaos. Whenever I try to offer "olive branches" to help shift the effing gears here, people get all bent so I just stay in my corner and let the "kids" have their tantrums....lol Oh wow.....are you still filling Bigeyes's head full of "fairy tales" about her "spanking" me and "taking my man" (and all other sorted nonsense that she has no trouble spouting on the regular like a Buckingham Fountain of Queens' Phucked Up TRUTH)??? One "trick" pony, indeed. And I am not foolish enough to think you are seriously asking for my opinion on another woman's situation here......why would you be???? NOT, YOU in all your, glorious omniscience.....that knows when a woman has slept with a man, how many times, what brand condoms they used or didn't, etc. Ok....if it makes you feel better, I'll just say you "twist" shyt...LMAO. I keep coming back simply because I CAN.....sorry, you nor your "puppet" completed the "mission" (or "met" THAT "objective".....LOL. Like I said.....reality T.V. has warped AND rotted alot of people's brains....got them thinking they can "scare" or "embarass" someone off the Internet....LMAO. Heya, Ich.....yeah....well, I appreciate the lack of "lag"....but now some have just taken advantage of it.....can't really blame them though, it's the only way they seem to be able to "win"....lol. I get the feeling "James" is maybe a nom de plume for the would-be moderator/site admin (collective)....never know. Peace (just because it is part of who I am) and Blessings (because I REALLY do have enough of my own to spare) tatted2death

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  46.   Ichibod says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    Hi, Tatts! I hate that they only show the last 200. The pages load faster now and there's no typing lag anymore, but they still should have an archive somewhere. I wish James would come around sometimes to interject, clarify, and/or defend himself.

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  47.   Member says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    QQ Tatt I heard you're white man is making you wear a "snuggie" before you go to bed. Tatt you are still hiding in the background again. Nobody is drinking your bath water. It wasn't enough Big Eyes spanked you. You keep coming back for MORE. Nobody makes up shit here. Tatt what do you think about Bama and her "two white men"? I am interested to know.

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  48.   tatted2death says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    LMAO@the chaos in here.....Some feel "attacked" and like they "won" something in here....(LOL). Others are too busy STILL sipping on my bath water to even keep there own lies straight in here. Man, I know at least TWO people on here that are ecstatic that they only show the last 200 comments. Helps right along with that "making shyt up" campaign you all have going. This is why some people need to just turn off their dayum T.V.......bringing "reality show" logic to the internet....tsk tsk. Have Fun Good People Peace and Blessings tatted2death (The Blog ANTI-Legend.....pfft)

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  49.   Salsassin says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    "scrape, scrape" a missed a spot, "scrape" Watch out, don't step on it.

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  50.   Member says:
    Posted: 05 Mar 10

    (Eating popcorn) This woman just got to this board. This Queen Latifah character. Now she is talking about yahoo chatroom and how it was so great to "censor" people. If you like yahoo so much, go back to that chatroom. I have been here for months. I don't have any plans on leaving anytime soon you round face mutt. You have some nerve insulting the intelligence of people like ICH. I don't tell Big eyes to defend me or anybody for that matter. They can say whatever they want about me. LOL You can say my personal life is my business. You said you was with two men at the same time. I can't guess what your personal life is. I go a "God complex". Sure I do. Everybody got flaws but you justify them. You seem to here quite often. How about spend time with you're "two white men". MsBrown makes some good points. The war will not end on my side of it. Sellout black women started this war. On top of that, they can't even get a white man to do blogs worshiping them. They are pulling out NY articles with 1 or 2 couples dating "out". I have never been with a white woman. But I hardly see articles showing black men with white women. The media is not interviewing white women involved with black men. Why is that happening? The media will feel sorry for 35 year-old black women and their dating woes while she is in her prostitute outfit. If they want to date white men so much, why doesn't the media interview and encourage white men to do so. Stop making excuses like "Oh white men are scared". Shit, If I want a woman. I go get her. White men practically got the sellout black girls legs spread OPEN and they ARE STILL NOT COMING TO HER. You know how sad that is. Look for that New Blog Album. "The Day After Tomorrow for Sellout black women." I plan to put that prostitute's picture on my blog too. Sal you immigration lawyer. Black men can comment on this board just like you have the right to comment. Why are you hiding your martial status from all the women here? You claim to be "the morality" in the room. I answered all the tough questions. You are a pussy because you dodge tough questions. You a have a nice day.

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